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Dirtfarmer,
If you let me have an e-mail address I will try sending you a scanned copy of a 1st Series Sport from the sales brochure. It shows the disc wheels which appear to be one piece like the ones on my 1929 6th series. I mention this because I took a photo at Hershey some years ago of a 1st Series Sport with disc wheels however the rim was demountable from the disc hub. I think the one piece wheels are correct but then if you can find any 24"disc wheels with the correct bolt pattern then they would be quite a find.
Incidentally I have had 2 trips to Hershey, it was fantastic and a gold mine for a huge "wish" list of bits for my current project a 1929 Packard sedan. It would have been impossible to restore this car but for all of the bits obtained. Also its a pity you are so far away, we could do a deal on those 600 :20 tyres, I need a set of 5 for the 1929!! If you are coming this way.....
David

resto633 wrote:Dirtfarmer,
Also its a pity you are so far away, we could do a deal on those 600 :20 tyres, I need a set of 5 for the 1929!! If you are coming this way.....
David

Dirtfarner,

If you do "come this way" our Packard National Rally in 2009 is at the end of March, in the Southern Highlands near Sydney, and includes a swap meet.

Mal
Thanks for the invite for me to visit your wonderful country. I would love to come. Whether I could swing it financially is another matter.....I retired on a Ford budget and then bought a basket case Packard. Bad planning.
David
We (the wife and I) sat down last night and we found several pictures in the computer of the Packard taken the day we brought most of it home. We couldn't figure out how to send it to the forum so I guess that we will just wait for further instructions.
My address is randmmakey@linetap.com and I do have a real name- it is Ross. I look forward to receiving that picture.
That '29 of yours sounds interesting. Back in the early 1950's those cars were the favourite vehicle to be made into a farm implement known locally as a "buck rake". But that's another story for another time.

resto633 wrote:I will have to learn how to post a photo so I can send a picture from the sales brochure showing the Sport with the disc wheels.
David

David,

There's a field at the bottom of the text box here which says "Add image to post". Save the pic's you want to include with your post on your computer then click on the field, probably using the wrong terminology here, click on browse in the box that pops up, then select the photo you want to include, then click on upload. Repeat as required. I've included a few from today of You with the '22, the '22 and '22 wire wheel. You can click on each pic in the post and it will "blow up" to a larger size, again repeat as required. And this from a technological dinosaur! LOL

All the best.
Mal

PS - You can see all of my photos from today here - http://picasaweb.google.com/ozstatman/2 ... eekClassic

David and Mal

What a great lot of pictures you have sent to me! Especially the one of the cool dude with shades, a red shirt, and matching wheels. And is that ANOTHER "sport" in the background? I will need some time now to do a bit of study and some serious downloading. Yes, I will try again soon to send some pictures of my "pile of parts"
The "before" photo of David's '29 sedan intrigues me. This car appears to have solid sheet metal with a general coating of rust on the surface. Here in southern Ontario the car would probably have huge rust holes in the outer body and little or no floor left at all. This is from the effects of humidity, snow accumulation and especially, road salt. My car seems to have been spared from the worst of this rusting process for some reason. It may have been taken off the road early, before road salt came into general use. Or it came from a salt free U.S. state maybe?

Dirtfarmer wrote:David and Mal.....And is that ANOTHER "sport" in the background?

Ross,

Yes it's a '24 Sport Tourer. There are more pic's of it in my Picasa web albums. See link http://picasaweb.google.com/ozstatman/2 ... eekClassic

You should be able to navigate from there to any of my Picasa web albums. just ignore the family photos please.

edit - Go to Linnwood House Album for more pic's of the '24

Dirtfarmer,
Yes that is another Sport in the background, it is the one Matthew spoke of, its an unrestored 136 8 Cylinder. I checked the wheels by the way and they are 23".
That "cool dude" with the scowl on his face must have been aware that just after the photos was taken the Sport would not start and had to suffer the indignity of being push started by a bunch of Packard guys. Mal of course had to record whole the thing then post the photos on the net!! Come to think of it why wasn't he helping with the push.
The problem with the car was a flat battery and there is a lesson in that. It was an "Optima" which did not live up to expectations, it is 5 years old and definetely never held charge for 12 months as some claim and yes I do have a battery isolater switch that I turn off as soon as I put the car away. It was fully charged before we left home that morning and dead by 3.00 PM. So I will be reverting to a lead acid battery at less than half the price of a new dry cell "Optima".
Now I must try to post an image next time of the Sport as found as Mal drags me into the computer age. Look forward to you doing the same.
David

Ross and David,

Here's the pic. Looks like a great start for a Packard project.

EDIT - Added your 2nd pic Ross, took me about 1/2 dozen attempts. David, for your info I saved Ross's pic to my desktop Picasa, then exported it to my Picasa web album, then right click on the web album image and "Save Image As" from there to My Pictures on the desktop. I think

Good morning from Canada

It was great to see that the picture of the "sport" made it half way around the world- and then back to me. We can only send one pic. at a time for some unknown reason, but some shots from other angles are coming. Meanwhile I am downloading selected pictures from the ones that you guys sent to me. It is nice to see at least two early '20's cars at a meet and being driven. Over here all of the cars of that vintage seem to have vanished from sight.
It seems that there are clubs for horseless carriages and clubs for classics (I mean REAL classics) and clubs for Model A F**ds and the list goes on. There seems to be no place for the owners of early '20's cars to congregate. Any thoughts?
David. Before we get off the subject of wheels (finally). I took a walk to the back shed yesterday and I measured the rims from the 2nd series 131" parts chassis. Artillary wheels. The tires definately would have been 24 inch.
You mentioned that the sport had a different rear end ratio. Can you give me any numbers?

Dirtfarmer,
Greetings from Australia as we come to the end of our winter, nice day today, I got some spray painting done.
Great to see the photos, that reverse turn at the bottom of the back of the body is a feature of the Sport.
Early 1920's cars, it is much the same here, not many turn up on the runs in fact not many early or late 20's cars. The trend is to later models. I guess they are easier to drive and more weatherproof. I just like the old ones. We have a Vintage Vehicle Club here in Sydney that is for cars of the 20's only and it has a small group that turn up for most of their runs. The do an annual tour that can cover up to 1-2,000 miles over a week or two.
There are three diff ratios on the First, Second and Third series 6 cyl. Packards:
4.31 : 1 (56 /13 teeth) used on the Sport.
4.67 : 1 (56:12 teeth) used on the 5 & 7 passenger open cars.
5.1 : 1 (51 / 10 teeth) used on the closed cars.
The diff ratio on the Sport with 24" tires is about as high as you would want, any higher and it would die too much on the hills.
Now to have another go at posting a pic using Mal's instructions. I have all of my photos on Picasa and have tried posting from that but couldn't make it work.
David

Ross,

Here's a link from Restorations here on the PACA Site showing what David started with for his 22. Looks like you're way ahead.

http://www.packardaustralia.com/Restoration.htm

Mal:
Thanks for doing a fine job putting all if these pictures on this site.
I have a couple more to send whenever the resident computer expert (my wife Mary) is available to do so. The caption on one of the "original" shots of David's '22 reads 1976. Many of the cars at shows that I attend today were NEW after 1976. Time marches on!
David:
Thank you for the wealth of material that you have provided for my use. My filing system is strictly on paper. I wonder- is printer ink is available by the gallon? Seriously, what needs to be done is for me to put the '23 in the shop and set all the pieces together to see what is missing. Another not- quite- finished project prevents this from happening for now. But I still have more questions for you if you (or anyone else) are willing to answer them.
Regards........R.M.

Good morning Packard people.
The '23 Packard, before I bought it, was stored in several places. The chassis and body shell were in a two car garage. Everything else was distributed randomly between two smaller outbuildings. The frame and axles for the 2nd series car were outside in the elements. The rad and shell reclined on a high shelf in an outbuilding. The owner said that the rad was in excellent shape and I took him on his word.
He was telling the truth- to the best of his limited knowledge. When we picked up the parts, I was packing the trailer and his son came out carrying the rad on two fingers. Oh, oh says I to myself. Sure enough the rad has a new- and very thin- tube and fin core in it. Darn.
A new proper core is one of the few jobs that I can have done in advance of the actual restoration process. Question. How did they calculate the amount of cooling area needed for a given vehicle and how can I do the same?
How can I convert honeycomb stats to tube and fin?

Dirtfarmer,
In my quest for authenticity I fitted a honeycomb core to my Sport when I restored it. This was a mistake, firstly the original core is more like a herringbone pattern so the new one was not authentic, secondly the honeycomb pattern is too large resulting in loss of surface area. The result is that the car will boil too readily on long climbs in hot weather. If I was doing it again I would fit the largest core with the maximum surface area I could get into the shell. These old Packards all tend to get hot in hot weather so there is no need to be too technical, just get the best you can and it will be OK under most conditions. We sometime have to drive our cars in summer when the ambient temperatures can be in the high 30's deg C (around 100 deg F). Maybe you do not get that high in summer where you are.

One other thing, very important, make sure that the core and shell are from the Sport, not any other model, the radiator shell on the Sport is 2" lower than all other models in the first , second and third series Packards. (Which does not help when cooling is marginal)

If there is any doubt I will give you some dimensions to check, you do not want to spend money on a new core only to find it does not fit the Sport!!!
David

David et al
We old car people must be a dedicated bunch. A few minutes ago I could have been seen on some high racking in the back of my implement shed in my underwear with a yardstick in hand- at five A.M. in the morning yet. Or maybe we're just nuts.
My rad specs. are as follows. (My measurements were taken at the front of the shell so, hopefully, you can duplicate them on your car.)
1 Vertical Distance from the top of the shell at the base of the filler neck to the top of the half-moon cut-out for the crank ....twenty six and five-eighths inches.
2 Width at the "shoulders" of the shell is nineteen and a half.
3 Width at the bottom is twenty two and a quarter.
Good news is that the core seems to take up the max allowable by the tanks, 4 rows and 12 fins per inch. Bad news is that about 3/8 " of the tank shows at the topof the shell. Also for some reason the rad builder has cut out fin sections in the top corners and they show badly.